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Loma Linda Meets McDonald's
The New York Times covers the controversy about allowing McDonald's into Loma Linda, California.
Wayne Dysinger, a physician and public health professor in the preventive medicine department at Loma Linda University’s School of Medicine, grew up in the city and remembers a time when there were no such restaurants. A generation ago, it was nearly impossible to even find meat within city limits. Now, he worries about his children.
“We know from research that if a school is near a fast-food restaurant, the kids there are more likely to be obese,” he said. “We will never eliminate unhealthy choices, and pretty much everyone has an unhealthy treat once in a while. I am going to drive by that intersection every day and it’s fairly likely that they will say ‘Oh Daddy, can we stop there’ more often. Why do we need to encourage that?”
The new McDonald’s restaurant would hardly be the first fast-food joint around — there are already a handful of places offering assembly-line burgers and fries within the eight square miles of the city. And the area has deep roots to the icon that so many residents detest: the site of the original McDonald’s restaurant is less than five miles away, in San Bernardino.
Still, in one sign of Loma Linda’s historical distaste for fast food, restaurants are required to go through a special approval process for drive-through windows. Once, when business proved slightly sluggish, a local chain crafted a special vegetarian menu dubbed “Loma Linda specials.”
A generation ago, nearly 80 percent of the city was Seventh-day Adventist; by most estimates, Adventists now make up about half of the city’s population of 23,000. But the influence of the religion on the town remains clear. Many businesses shut down early on Friday, in observance of Saturday as the Sabbath. One of the largest supermarkets in town is owned by the church-run university, and there are no meat products to be found. (Canned soy alternatives are available in abundance, including some under a Loma Linda brand.) Only large businesses and restaurants are authorized to sell alcohol, and there is a total ban on smoking.
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Well, well, the Holy City has come!
How do all the millions of Adventists around the world, near a McDonald's manage to maintain better health than the non-SDAs? Where is self-control? Does passing a McDonald's make the car turn in to the drive-through lane? With such a large SDA population they could sell all kinds of vegeburgers, the kind, that BTW, are probably sold in the LL supermarket.
This gives Adventism a bad name: trying to impress the public that, because of religion, no SDA would dare eat meat. What if they must go to Redlands to get meat? Are salmon and fatty fish, so highly recommended, not sold at the LL market?
Do the cosmetic counters not sell make-up?
Why not ask the millions of vegetarian parents how they feed their children who thrive and survive without a Big Mac? Is there a Taco Bell? They make far healthier food, cheaper, too.
Kudos for the NYTimes about Adventists. At least in Mormon Utah, meat is sold but no coffee or alcohol. I doubt that most of the kids parents live in LL but in surrounding communities. "Let's make little vegetarians of them all."
Elaine
I find this whole thing humorous, and at the same time pathetic.
The compartmentalizing, can get quite hysterical. I remember visiting a self-supporting school, and wishing that i could drop through the floor, when I mistakenly called their cake icing, chocolate, instead of carob and, then later having the occasion of being with them in the 'city', and they (including some that were staff), make a B-line for the burger joint. I couldn't believe my eyes; I thought that they would at least be more careful if I was there, you know, to show the good front. It was obvious that this was nothing new, nor shocking for them; they acted like nothing was amiss.
....just as long as nothing happens to the 'In 'n Out' drive through up by the I-10.... ;-) (just realized, it's been 20 years.... may have been closed a long time ago :-\ ) carry on. cheers
Sign at the new McDonald's:
Adventist Happy Meal: Veggie Big Mac, No salt fries, sugar free and caffeine free Tab, and The Great Controversy (while supplies last).
Elaine,
I would like to see them park a Strip Club a block or two down from where you live and see you not complain. Why the fuss? The city was ESTABLISHED BY WHO AGAIN...please remind me?
I thought Advemtos, were strong advocates of the separation of church and state. First vegies and then Sunday Laws. Tom Z
This shows how the devil works.
If it weren't that LLUMC accepted the presence of the Ronald McDonald House all those years ago, surely the McDonalds restaurant could have been held off. It's a slippery slope when we start using the devil's dollars.
Tom Zwemer:
"I thought Advemtos, were strong advocates of the separation of church and state. First vegies and then Sunday Laws." Tom Z
No.
It's.... the separation of church and steak.
Ya, I know, old joke. Some never grow old.
The comments about the article at the New York Times were interesting. It included some from people who appreciated that Adventists care about diet.
Believing remnant in the Holy City on the Hill -Beautiful who place much emphasis on Moses laws should actually thank Mc D's for helping to conform to the requirements of sending up a wonderful aroma to please God:
Exodus 29:18
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
..."make sure that the whole animal goes up in smoke with a SMELL THAT PLEASES ME."
Lev 1 A priest will then send all of it up in smoke with a SMELL THAT PLEASES ME If you offer a bird for this kind of sacrifice, it must be a dove or a pigeon. 15A priest will take the bird to the bronze altar, where he will wring its neck and put its head on the fire. Then he will drain out its blood on one side of the altar, 16remove the bird's craw with what is in it, [e] and throw them on the ash heap at the east side of the altar. 17Finally, he will take the bird by its wings, tear it partially open, and send it up in smoke with a SMELL THAT PLEASES ME.
lev 3 1When you offer sacrifices to ask my blessing, you may offer either a bull or a cow, but there must be nothing wrong with the animal. 2Lead it to the entrance of the sacred tent, lay your hand on its head, and have it killed there. A priest from Aaron's family will splatter its blood against the four sides of the altar. 3 Offer all of the fat on the animal's insides, 4as well as the lower part of the liver and the two kidneys with their fat. 5 Some of the priests will lay these pieces on the altar and send them up in smoke with a SMELL THAT PLEASES ME,
numb 28:8The SMELL of the smoke from these sacrifices will please me.
lev 23: 12 You must also offer a sacrifice to please me. [c] So bring the priest a one-year-old lamb that has nothing wrong with it 13and four pounds of your finest flour mixed with olive oil. Then he will place these on the bronze altar and send them up in smoke with a SMELL THAT PLEASES ME.
(AND DON'T FORGET THE WINE)
Together with these, you must bring a quart of wine as a drink offering.
(actually, the bbq SHOULD TAKE PLACE ON THE STEPS OF THE SACRED TENT...
IE, THE UNIVERSITY CHURCH)
lev 17 Whenever you kill any of your cattle, sheep, or goats as sacrifices to me, you must do it at the entrance to the sacred tent. If you don't, you will be guilty of pouring out blood, and you will no longer belong to the community of Israel. 5And so, when you sacrifice an animal to ask my blessing, [a] it must not be done out in a field, 6but in ...FRONT OF THE SACRED TENT.
Then a priest can splatter its blood against the bronze altar and send its fat up in smoke with a smell that pleases me. 7Don't ever turn from me again and offer sacrifices to goat-demons.
...........This law will NEVER change. ...............8Remember! No one in Israel, including foreigners, is to offer a sacrifice anywhere 9except at the entrance to the sacred tent. If you do, you will no longer belong to my people.
Numb 18: 17 all first-born cattle, sheep, and goats belong to me and cannot be bought back. Splatter their blood on the altar and send their fat up in smoke, so I can smell it and be pleased.
(AND DON'T FORGET THE WINE)
numb 15: 10Two quarts of wine must also be poured on the altar. The smell of this smoke is pleasing to me.
end quote by God, as supposedly told to Moses
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
SdA's are known around Gestapo Central on Old Columbia Pike for two items:
Worship on Saturday.
Don't eat meat.
That's it.
That's the list.
Please tell me anyone, if they have found a good wine to compliment vega-links or vegaburgers?
Someone out Riverside way should have a valid suggestion. Tom Z
here's Sunset mag's suggestion
http://www.sunset.com/food-wine/wine-pairings/fine-meat-wine-pairing-004...
my suggestion? lubricate your palate and loosen your opinion with half the wine first....whatever it is....and the veggie burgers will be OK....but mostly as a framework to hold fresh tomatoes, cukes, pickles, olives, lettuce, swiss, and Ken's 1000 islands. Raw onions ONLY if you are crazy, or overweight. Onions are actually diet food. The sharp odor will keep people at a distance and you may look a tad smaller.
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
Dysinger should be worrying about the day, which will come soon, when they will no longer need to ask Daddy for a burger. What then?
My three children were all raised vegetarian, and only eat meat very occasionally, and usually fish or turkey on holidays. Why, oh why, do Adventists who have never prohibited any meat that is not "unclean" try to go the whole hog (pun intended) and dislike ANY meat in their surroundings? If Micke D's serve pork, it's very little.
BTW, is there a Starbucks in LL? Does the hospital cafeteria serve coffee? Do doctors drink coffee? Is the pope Catholic?
Elaine
Fernando, remind me when Adventists prohibited CLEAN MEATS?
Should LL prohibit selling cheese at their supermarket? (maybe the do). Do they serve cheese in the snack shop? There is nothing in the Bible against "clean" meats. All this is straight from EGW, as are pickles, mustards, sugar, and the list goes on.
Question: is someone sinning who eats a Big Mac?
Elaine
Hi Elaine Dearest!
Wasn't it venison that she ate?
Venison.
And Vinegar.
Red wine vinegar.
Bordeaux red wine vinegar.
No. St Helena.
1888, a good year.
Is the SS Pinhead Perfection Club of LLU going to occupy this McD?
I pray that God forgives all of you for your flippant, callous comments. Everything God has provided us in terms of physical, spiritual, and mental instruction is only for our benefit. I'm glad that there is some controversy because that means that our church still stands for something. You can laugh now but angels are recording everything....by thy words thou shalt be justified. by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Every idle word spoken will have to be accounted for.
Hello,
I share Dr. Dysinger's concerns about the negative effects of fast foods restaurants, especially in a place like Loma Linda. But what about the healthy alternative? Can one find a health-food restaurant in Loma Linda, that would satisfy Dr. Dysinger's principles and concerns?
Also as Adventists, shouldn't we be promoting the Slow Food movement? (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Movement where it began with Carlo Petrini's protest against the opening of a McDonald's restaurant in Piazza di Spagna, Rome in 1986 that sparked the creation of the Slow Food organization.)
Cheers,
Mike
I well remember in the early 70s a little corner coffee shop on the second floor (southwest corner to be exact) of the University Arts building, which in those days was in the heart of the Loma Linda University campus, where one could get their hamburgers, cokes, coffee and even smoke a cigarette. One day a buddy and I walked over to the coffee shop to get a bite of lunch....no luck, the doors were chained and padlocked with a notice on the doors not to trespass by order of the IRS. Turned out the proprietors had not paid taxes and was closed for good. After that, Loma Linda employees had to go to Coffee Dan's, which was out of the gates of Loma Linda to order that which they once could order on campus.
Again, majoring in minors. I would think there is more to worry about then the proximity of a McDonald's in Loma Linda.
D. E. Park
whats the problem? theres a TAco Hell drive thru down on Redlands Blvd barely a mile from the University, just over the no smoking, no drinking border line in San Berdoo
and within 1mile are all these:
Taco Bell 258 E Redlands Blvd, San Bernardino, CA 92408
McDonald's 100 E Redlands Blvd, San Bernardino, CA 92408
Burger King 205 E Redlands Blvd, San Bernardino, CA 92408
and about 2-3 miles these:
Dairy Queen 1407 E Washington St, Colton, CA 92324
Arby's 1320 E Washington St, Colton, CA 92324
Burger King 1110 S Mount Vernon Ave, Colton, CA 92324
Jack in the Box 1191 S Mount Vernon Ave, Colton, CA 92324
McDonald's 1201 S Mount Vernon Ave, Colton, CA 92324
Subway 1080 E Washington St Ste A, Colton, CA 92324
last time I visited LL and wanted to pick up sandwich/picnic supplies, I mistakenly went to the U. grocery store. plenty of vegeburger stuff which I wanted anyway, good wheat bread, but no Hellmans, no cheese, only soy spreads, no soft drinks with caffeine ...meaning no Coke which I dont drink anyway due to wanting to keep my teeth, but NO Mt Dew!!! apparently EGW not only influenced the pick of the location (on top of ST Andrews fault and in a smog belt) but also the diet.
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
While we are discussing a serious topic may I inject a little humour - although I do seriously believe in our churches message of good health.
We have an adventist college in the hills that students arrived at , at the beginning of each new term by train. The train was an old steam train and would zig zag slowly up the hill to the college. The beginning of one new term saw a new boy occupying a compartment on his own as all the other compartments were locked and the blinds drawn. Eventuall the conductor made his way to the new boys compartment collecting tickets. When he saw the boy on his own he commented. "Those Seventh-day Adventists. they don't eat meat, they do not drink tea, coffee or alcohol. but they sure can make love.
Morgan Spurlock would agree.
Anyways... Interesting.
Nope, the In N Out is still there. Of course, that's in Berdoo,,,
I remember a humorous experiece concerning food rules.
In many ways, I can still out-adventist the Adventists when it comes to healthy eating; but the difference with me is there are no rules/no guilt with what I do. I've been known to have a little 'venison' at Christmas. A few years ago, my conservative SDA sister-in-law sent over to the house, a beautiful portion of chard from her garden. It was tender and sweet and I just ate it raw. In a phone call, thanking her, I thought she would be flattered to know that her garden fresh produce, was beautiful enough to just be eaten as it was.
I was in shell-shock when she spit out at me in a tense voice, that was several octaves higher than her usual,...."FAY!....the devil doesn't care what side of the road you fall off."
After the final prize giving ceremony for the year at the Adventist School my Grandson goes to everyone goes off to MacDonald’s it’s the tradition. This includes the Principal and the President as well as some of the ministers of the local conference whose kids go to the school.
If you feed on frequently then that’s a problem but just occasionally then what’s the problem?
Adventist Loma Linda isn't the only place opposed to MacDonald's. The board of supervisors of pagan San Francisco recently banned the Happy Meals toys because they supposedly encourage unhealthy eating habits for kids. But I don't know much about MacDonald's anymore - I think the last time I ate a Big Mac was when I was a student at Southern Missionary College. I didn't like the taste or texture of hamburgers, but I wasn't about to be uncool when with meat deprived SMC students who wanted to go to MacDonald's for some forbidden food.
Maybe Loma Linda needs to be shrunk...
In one semi-rural location where I have an office, the town with a population of 6000 including hinterland has no sign of a McDonalds, or a thought that one is on its way. The closest it gets to a chain takeaway outlet is Subway. Off course, all the local Chinese, Indian, pizza and regular fish n chip shops love having it to themselves.
Maybe Ellen had McDonalds in mind when she sought to have Adventist institutions located away from the cities.
What is puzzling to me regarding this topic, is that it seems that the majority of Spectrum members here reject our SDA health message, don't attend the SDA church anymore, and reject EGW writings as being bogus, and yet the world at large is starting to "see the light' when it comes our SDA health message, which predates the health messages of: Dr. Oz, Dr. McDougal, and Dr. Ornish by over 100 years! If our health message was inspired, then maybe the prophetic message is as well? What say you?
The truth and nothing but the truth.
TruthWave:
- you say: "the majority of Spectrum members here". Just how do you define and discern who is or is not a "Spectrum member"? Is it people who comment? If so that includes you. Or do you define a Spectrum member as people who you disagree with?
- You say: "the majority ... reject our health message, don't attend the SDA church anymore, and reject EGW writings as being bogus". Just how did you calculate this majority? Words like "reject", "don't attend", "bogus" are strong words - and somewhat measurable. And you would need to measure to determine if there was a "majority". Or is it that the majority don't seem to agree with your view and you extrapolate that to the charges you've made?
- you say "it seems". I wonder how this 'seeming' works for you?
..."If our health message was inspired, then maybe the prophetic message is as well?"...
no more pickles on my vegeburger???? how bout ketchup...is that OK?
Stimulants and Narcotics
by Ellen G. White
Under the head of stimulants and narcotics is classed a great variety of articles that, altogether used as food or drink, irritate the stomach, poison the blood, and excite the nerves. Their use is a positive evil. Men seek the excitement of stimulants, because, for the time, the results are agreeable. But there is always a reaction. The use of unnatural stimulants always tends to excess, and it is an active agent in promoting physical degeneration and decay.
Condiments
In this fast age, the less exciting the food, the better. Condiments are injurious in their nature. Mustard, pepper, spices, pickles, and other things of a like character, irritate the stomach and make the blood feverish and impure. The inflamed condition of the drunkard's stomach is often pictured as illustrating the effect of alcoholic liquors. A similarly inflamed condition is produced by the use of irritating condiments. Soon ordinary food does not satisfy the appetite. The system feels a want, a craving, for something more stimulating.
more things not to do and products not to take here:
http://lifestylelaboratory.com/articles/ellen-white/stimulants-and-narco...
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
Hello John,
Thanks for the healthy counsel you quoted. Actually those principles are better than those of McDonalds, with apparently no concern for the health and well-being of its consumers.
It's ironic that McDonalds this year bought out the "Whole Foods Market" organisation. See: http://www.ucdadvocate.com/news/mcdonald-s-buys-out-whole-foods-1.213123...
It's too bad that McDonalds can't incorporate some of their "Whole Foods Market" products into their own fast food restaurants. They could if they were concerned about the health of their consumers. (Shall I say, like the message Michelle Obama is concerned about?)
Now I was surprised to find at Burger King, a Veggie Burger made with Whole White Wheat bread. That would be a "healthy trick" to play on some people who only eat white bread.
I wonder whether having a McDonalds at Loma Linda will drag the community down or may be the community could help McDonalds offer more healthful menus?
Cheers,
Mike
Just to clarify, Whole Foods was not bought out by McDonalds. The article linked was published by a school newspaper on April 1st.
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Giovanni Hashimoto - Fri, 12/23/2011 - 22:24
Just to clarify, Whole Foods was not bought out by McDonalds. The article linked was published by a school newspaper on April 1st.
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Thanks Giovanni for the clarification. I was a not only an April fool but also a December one as well!
As a matter of perspective.
I have been places on this planet for extended periods of time where a "Big Mac" would have been a wonderful meal compared to what we were "surviving on"!! We would have been very "thankful"!!
What comes out of the mouth, in my experience with some people, is much more harmful than what goes into their mouths. That includes McDonalds!!
Merry Christmas!!
Fred
Mmmmm.... Reading this thread is making me hungry :) One of my favourite breakfast meals when I'm traveling (which is a lot of the time) is a MacDonalds sausage & egg mcmuffin, with a hash brown and large flat white coffee. If I'm in the vicinity of a maccas at lunch time I sometimes have a big mac or a grand angus burger (I think that might be an Australian special). However I do sometimes choose a healthier option such as a chicken wrap.
And it IS about balance - I'm not overweight because I'm careful of the overall level of carbs I consume, exercise regularly and take quality food supplements.
even Ben and Jerry's Dastardly Mash provides a wholesome 5 level food pyramid:
1) dairy for calcium for your bones
2) carbs for energy
3) fruit for health...cherries and raisins
4) grains and nuts which even Sister White approves
and finally..
5) chocolate...which science is now finding out is a heart healthy food.
but for some strange reason, LL food mart (last time I was there) didn't carry it,
nor did they carry real cheese or caffeinated sodas.....
apparently in the belief that they know what is best for their patrons.
what they should really carry? oxygen masks for those hot, summer daze when LA deposits all its smog on Loma Linda's doorstep.
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
When I was there last summer with 4 kids, we did eat at McDonalds quite often, at least for breakfast. Everything else can become quite expensive if you are traveling. One good side of it: almost every time we got the opportunity to pay the meal for some homeless person...
Residents of LL must drive one mile down the Hill BEautiful to the San Berdoo town line to acquire the benefits from this now understood healthful product:
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/healthwire/martini_health_wine_/2011/12/27/...
begin non PC quote:
The healthful benefits derived from alcohol may be the same no matter the source, be it a glass of red wine or a bottle of beer, according to a new analysis that casts doubts on studies that have suggested wine is most beneficial.
The study, published in the January issue of The Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs, suggests that wine was singled out in past studies because those who prefer it over other alcohol tend to be healthier.
The study looked at 802 individuals ages 55 to 65 over the course of 20 years, 345 of whom were not drinkers, and the rest of whom comprised a mix of moderate drinkers broken down into high-wine and low-wine consumption. It found that the drinkers who had one to two drinks per day outlived the abstainers. When certain factors were controlled, the study showed negligible mortality differences between low-wine and high-wine drinkers.
Lead author Charles Holahan confirmed that moderate drinking by older individuals, no matter the alcohol source, is beneficial. He cautioned, however, that the analysis does not encourage initiating wine consumption as a pathway to better health.
end quote
here's to a happy new year!!!!
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
Loma Linda must be doing something right(ous)....
they are the #2 item listed here explaining 7 weird things which affect your longevity....
it couldn't be the altitude... nor big butts.....maybe the happy, carefree lifestyle?
http://www.cracked.com/article_19762_7-random-things-you-wont-believe-ar...
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
from above article:
Believe it or not, there's a town in California called Loma Linda where a significant chunk of the population lives five to 10 years longer than everyone else. The catch: They are all Seventh-Day Adventists. So it's probably like Woody Allen said: "You can live to be a hundred if you give up all the things that make you want to live to be a hundred."
After all, Adventists tend to not drink or smoke and generally live healthier lifestyles, so that probably explains it, right? Nope: Even Loma Linda Adventists who half-(way) it and partake in all the things that should kill them still get extra longevity, and science isn't sure why.
It happens with people of other religions, too: A study in Colorado found that people who go to church regularly live around seven years longer than those who don't. Apparently, the increase in life expectancy for older people who go to church is "comparable to that of people who don't smoke over those who do." That's right -- skipping church is as bad for your health as smoking.
This difference may be explained by the fact that people who are spiritual tend to have lower levels of anxiety and therefore suffer from fewer problems like high blood pressure and strokes. Or maybe it all comes down to what we told you before about kids: It's important for people to remain socially active within their age group in order to be healthy, and going to church gives them the perfect excuse to do that. All of your friends will also be more likely to tell you to get checked out when they notice that huge tumor growing on the side of your head.
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
John!
You should take your act on the road! You're a riot! Love that punch line.
This is pretty funny... Ten or so years ago, the 70 something mom of an old friend, life long non drinker, was told by her MD to have a glass of wine with dinner. A few weeks later she told her son / my friend, I don't know how people do this!! I cant stand up after it. He asks, What size glass are you having? She says, a tumbler....
Good night everybody!! You've been great! Tip your server!!
nice thing about being old and not needing glasses? you can drink right from the bottle!!!! (rimshot!)
yrs ago when I lived in the Holy City on the Hill Beautiful, I was hiking Mt Whitney with an ex Marine..fiercely proud of his physical prowess.....but he smoked and was experiencing real problems about the 11,000 foot level....so we were resting beside the trail when this 80 something yr old grandma came jogging up the trail and blew by us....followed by hard breathing photographers trying to keep up and film her 50th or something ascent.... turns out she was a famous SDA octogenarian from Loma linda promoting good health. My friend and I determined that no olde lady was gonna beat us up (the hill) so we took off, and couldn't catch her!!! my smoker friend finally gave out before 13k.... I got to waive hi to her as she passed me again, her on the way back down!! and me huffing and puffing for the last of those 14.5k feet.
http://www.lonepinechamber.org/recreation/mt-whitney-trail.html
smoking and altitude don't mix well. Once piloting a 4 place Mooney back from LL to Boston we had to climb over those 14teeners near Durango... since we were in cloud, we labored up to 17,500 to avoid any cumulo-granite and the plane's 200 horses refused to breathe any higher, while the two smokers in the back seat were passed out from lack of oxygen!!! while us front seaters..non smokers...were ok....
altitude and drinking dont mix well either... I was trained as a pilot to understand that alcohol, being a partially "burned" sugar, uses up your body's free oxygen, and since theres less of it at altitude, at 10,000 feet, a single beer can have results similar to what some people experience from a 5-6 pack!!! but thanks to EGW's health commandments, I've never had to worry about either problem at altitude!!!
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
Can't copy the link but there's a great video of a 86-yr-old German lady gymnast who does all the moves of a 15-yr. old.
And another sent me several weeks ago: a 94-yr old lady who could have competed on "Dancing with the Stars." (of course, we good SDAs were never allowed the benefits of dance).
Elaine
but also thanks to EGW's health commandments, including things never to do, I never got to learn about the health benefits of this until later in life. http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/headline_health/health_benefits_bedroom/201...
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
unbelievable.... Google has Hulda Crooks!!!!!
http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/romain.wacziarg/climbing/croo...
how fantastic an information age we live in!!!!
more info about how she improved her health, lost weight, and became "Grandma Whitney" from Loma linda http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=57498376
the Congressman Jerry Pettis mentioned in the first article was the SDA responsible for the govmnt pouring so much money into the VA Hospital at LLU... and I believe, funding for one of the nations first atom smasher proton treatment centers which has saved two of my friends from prostate cancer, and extended a relatives brain cancer life expectancy 5 yrs longer than another friend diagnosed at the same time who only got one year after diagnosis due to being treated with normal, wide spectrum radiation which quickly destroyed his life with side effects....while the relative was side effect free for maybe 5 yrs.
I wonder if Educate/Eliminate Truthers can ever recognize that so much medical progress has come out of the very science they decry. The amazing science of the atom which is used to save lives also tells us that the earth is older than Ussher, Moses, or EGW ever knew.
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
Research shows that having a strong sense of belonging is health inducing. It's not just the act of going to church that does that. To go to church when it is not a happy place or experience is damaging. It is NOT the going to church itself that gives the benefits.
As for believing, research shows that having a sense of certainty is what is health inducing. Being uncertain and wishywashy in convictions is what is not good. Atheists as well as Christians and other religions who have a higher degree of certainty have been shown to have rather same benefits. Believing Adventtist doctrines is NOT what prolongs life.
Being married is often said to be health inducing. But the studies show that to be in an unhealthy and unhappy relationship is far worse than being divorced/separated and/or single. It is not that someone is married and stays married that counts, it is whether they are happy and content. Some marriages need to end for everyone's well being.
So it's important to belong, to have certainty, to treat your body well and to have healthy friendships that leads to long life. NOT specifically being a conservative practicing Adventist.
Adventists are shockers at not seeking deeper understanding of statistics because they are in such a rush to prove how much better we are than everyone else!
A positive outlook is one of the factors most predicting longevity. Depressive people are difficult to have as friends so it results in fewer social contacts.
Were these factors included in the Adventist Health Study? I don't recall that they were.
In addition to a little wine, coffee has been proved in multiple studies to be most helpful in preventing, or slowing progression of many diseases, including Alzheimer's.
When will EGW's defenders who have praised her inspired messages on health, now recognize that her many statements have been found to be wanting and cannot be substantiated by medical studies.
Elaine
Anon.000 and Elaine...
....I'll drink to that!!!!!....
might actually help clear my mind!!!! help put my problems in perspective!!!
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Drinking alcohol may enhance a person’s problem solving skills, according to a new study. Scientists found that men who either drank two pints of beer or two glasses of wine before solving brain teasers not only got more questions right, they also were quicker in delivering correct answers, compared to men who answered the questions sober.
http://medicaldaily.com/news/20120411/9496/alcohol-solving-skills-analyt...
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but, gals.....the article only confers permission to us guys to lubricate our problem solving abilities.
Sorry. maybe the Old Test, Mohammed and sometimes EGW were right....you have no rights.
where there's a will and a heavy counterbalance, there's a way.
http://www.wimp.com/mastbridge/
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