NOTE OF SINCERE APOLOGY FROM THE AUTHOR: On October 27 I committed a terrible blunder and accidentally deleted not only my article (which I wanted to temporarily take down) but the conversation thread that included other people's comments as well. I have been working with others to try recover the deleted comments but so far without success (although we did find a Google "snapshot" of the original posting). In the event that we are not able to locate a cached version of the comments, I want to apologize to all who made valuable contributions and whose perspectives have now been lost. Hopefully contributors will be able to pick up the conversation if they feel there is more to be said, perhaps viewing this as an opportunity to refocus on the theme I had actually hoped to champion: finding creative "third ways" to remain in civil conversation and community with people one has fundamental disagreements with.
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According to a poll released Wednesday by the Public Policy Institute of California, Proposition 8, which would amend California’s Constitution to disallow same-sex marriage, is likely to be defeated on November 4. The Church State Council tells us that if this should happen our religious liberties will be imperiled. According to Adventists Against Proposition 8, the real threat to religious liberty lies in the attempt by religiously motivated groups to enforce their own theological understandings on others in the secular political realm. It seems increasingly clear to me, however, that for Adventists there can be no winning side in this debate. On November 4, I plan to abstain from voting either for or against Proposition 8. In the event that it is of any interest or use to others, here are the reasons why I have come to this view:
1. I fully support the civil and human rights of same-sex couples, including the same entitlements as heterosexual couples such as equal tax benefits, the right to adoption, healthcare, etc; however,
2. I do not believe that it is a civil or human right to have one's private sexual identity affirmed or recognized or sanctioned or sanctified or codified or categorized or validated by the state; and,
3. I also believe it is necessary to preserve the right of religious communities to have their own distinctive institutions—and distinctive words to describe these institutions—without encroachment by the government.
A “No” vote on Proposition 8 seems to me to violate both numbers 2 and 3 above. The word "marriage" for most people in America continues to invoke not only a legal status but also a particular set of historical, cultural, and religious understandings (including the view that marriage within our society ought to be restricted to two persons). In this perspective, legislative overriding of traditional cultural and religious norms and redefinition of the word along more avowedly “secular” lines marks a troubling encroachment of the state into matters it knows not whereof.
A “Yes” vote on Proposition 8, however, seems to me to violate both numbers 1 and 2 above. As long as non-religious heterosexual marriages are recognized by the state without controversy, religious communities have no basis for objecting to legalized same-sex “marriage” on religious grounds. In this perspective, legislative imposition of traditional cultural and religious understandings on non-believers—or upon believers with different beliefs—marks a troubling encroachment of the state into matters it knows not whereof.
How, then, to cut the Gordian knot? If we truly support separation of church and state, I submit, we should be agitating not for the collapsing of civil and theological understandings of “marriage”, as both pro and contra positions do in their own ways, but for two distinct institutions: 1) “civil unions” or “domestic partnerships”, which would be the only unions recognized by the state and would be exactly the same for all couples, regardless of their genders; and 2) marriage as a theological sacrament, which would involve different restrictions, meanings, and obligations depending on the theological understandings and beliefs of different religious communities.
Let the state be truly neutral in its language, let this language be the same for heterosexual and same-sex couples alike, and let this language be something other than the language religious traditions have long claimed as their own. Religious communities can then work out for themselves how inclusive or exclusive their particular belief systems can be on the question of same-sex marriage.
This position is not, of course, an option on this year’s ballot, and many Adventists will feel compelled to vote either for or against Proposition 8 on the basis of what they think is the lesser evil. I respect their personal decisions. Conscientious refusal to vote can, however, also be a creative and responsible political action, particularly if one shares one’s reasons for abstaining with others. And perhaps the most compelling witness Adventists can still make in the political realm, I would argue, is to refuse to be trapped in the false dichotomies of America’s culture wars.
Comments
Dr. Osborn: Can you somehow import/post your page again? It has been highly recommended to me by a good friend whose opinions I respect. Thank you.
Bluestocking,
I entirely agree with your comments dated 28 October 2008 at 4:48. As one who did participate in the discussion generated by Ron's blog, I can testify that I learned more through reading the comments on this blog than all the other blogs dealing with Proposition 8. Nevertheless, since a week from now we will have the results of the voting, it might be too late to try to resucitate what has been swalloded by cyber space. Once you delete something, it goes into this black hole.
Ron could probably reproduce his original article, but there is no way to rebuild the lively exchange of comments and arguments that took place. God knows why this happened, and we must learn to trust in his wisdom. It happened for a purpose, although we may never learn what the reason for this accident was.
My only suggestion for Ron would be to alter the title of this apology by inserting the original title into it: "Why I Don't Plan to Vote for Proposition 8." There might be some individuals looking for the article who would never see the apology. I did google trying to locate the article without success. Fortunately I happened to see the apology by accident, which helped me to learn what had transpired, others might not be so lucky.
Nic Samojluk
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I am taking the liberty of quoting from another Spectrum blog dealing with the same issue, because I feel that this is highly relevant to this topic. What is taking place in Canada illustrates what will likely take place in California if Proposition 8 fails to pass. If this is what Adventists want to happen here, then voting against Proposition 8 makes sense. Otherwise, I believe the most logical option would be to support said initiative.
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"I have collected articles that tell stories of individuals and organizations that had their freedom of speech or religion trumped by homosexuals suing them. Dates are from the article not the case.
I. January 19, 2007 - Canadian City Councillor Fined $1000 for Saying Homosexuality “not Normal or Natural” (1)
II. May 1, 2008 - Canadian ministry Christian Horizons has been fined more than $23,000 for firing an employee who was actively engaged in a homosexual relationship.
"The group requires all employees to sign a contract agreeing to abstain from all sexual immorality, including homosexuality." (2)
III. September 14, 2005 - Canadian Pastor Faces Jail Time And Fines Over Criticism Of Homosexuality.
"David Lund, a University of Calgary professor filed charges against Boission for violating the human rights act. His initial complaint was dismissed but he refiled and Boission now faces fines or jail time for his statements." (3)
Update June 10, 2008
"A Christian pastor in Canada has been fined $7,000 and told he must stop expressing his views on homosexuality in public. The ruling orders Stephen Boissoin to “cease publishing in newspapers, by email, on the radio, in public speeches, or on the internet, in future, disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals.” (6)
IV. June 3, 2008 - Commissioner Fined for Refusing to 'marry' Homosexuals
"The Canadian Marriage Commissioner, a Christian, referred them to another commissioner but was fined $2500."
"The tribunal ruling stated that Mr. Nichols had contravened section 31.4(b) of the Saskatchewan Human Rights Code and that his refusal based on religious belief conflicted with his duties as a public officer."
"The Commission stands by its position that to allow public officials to insert their personal morality when determining who should and who should not receive the benefit of law undermines human rights in Saskatchewan beyond the issue of same-sex marriages." (5)
I didn't attempt to collect all the cases. ...
1. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jan/07011902.html
2. http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=83422
3. http://www.narth.com/docs/faces.html
4. http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=28122
5. http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=28122
6. http://www.christian.org.uk/news/20080610/canadian-pastor-fined-and-gagg...
7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C-250
8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard_Act
Posted by: Shane Hilde (not verified) | 28 October 2008 at 6:30
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I believe that those Adventists who are planning to vote against Proposition 8, will be helping the enemy in his attempts to restrict our religious freedom.
Nic Samojluk
www.sdaforum.com
An Independent Web site
Not Associated With the Association of Adventist Forums
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