People are wondering what's going on - why don't the religious liberty professionals in the church get it when it comes to separation of church and state?

Think of it this way - where was the church when it came to requiring pastors to report child abuse? They were arguing that the state could violate "separation of church and state" when the state asked for this information.

Where was the church when it came to their own employment issues - ghosts of the Merikay issue - they argued that "separation of church and state" gave them the right to discriminate.

Now the church spends as much time excusing itself from any responsibility to do what is required by the law, or even part of being a decent human being, because doing the right thing would violate "separation of church and state."

Where was the church when a pastor giving counseling to a couple had an affair with the wife and recommended separation and then married the woman? "Separation of church and state," buddy. Pastors can do anything with immunity and impunity.

But then think of this - how many times has the church sued other employers for discriminating against their workers on the basis of religion? Hundreds? The church lines its pockets by arguing that secular employers have to do what it constantly claims it does not have to do.

So they will get into your bedroom (how much farther than homosexuality do they plan to force it?), but can get away with anything. The church religious liberty people are immune from you, but you aren't immune from them.

This is a power struggle and the Adventist Church promoting Prop 8 wants this kind of power just as much as the Catholic Church. The only difference is what day they want you to worship on. But cross them in any other way and you might end up in trouble regardless of a National Sunday Law.

Religious liberty rhetoric and "separation of church and state" that is designed to protect one's own bad behavior is wrong.